Thursday, February 26, 2026

Is healthcare the biggest share of the taxpayer burden?

Healthcare is the single largest category of federal spending, but it is not the majority of the taxpayer burden on its own. It is, however, the biggest slice of the pie among all categories.

๐Ÿงญ What the numbers show

Two authoritative sources line up clearly:

  • The federal government spent $1.6 trillion on major health programs in 2024 — about one‑quarter of all federal spending.

  • Total federal spending in FY2025 was $7.01 trillion, so healthcare’s share is roughly 23–25% of the entire budget.

That includes:

  • Medicare

  • Medicaid

  • ACA subsidies

  • CHIP

  • Veterans’ health programs

  • Federal health agencies

No other single category (defense, Social Security, interest on the debt, etc.) exceeds that combined total.

๐Ÿงฉ How it compares to other major categories

Here’s the rough ranking of federal spending categories today:

  1. Healthcare — ~25% of federal spending (largest single category)

  2. Social Security — slightly smaller than healthcare, but close

  3. Defense — significantly smaller than either Social Security or healthcare

  4. Interest on the national debt — rising fast, projected to surpass defense soon

  5. Everything else combined — education, transportation, agriculture, etc.

So yes: healthcare is the biggest single category, but it is not a majority of the burden. It’s just the largest slice in a fragmented budget.

๐Ÿงจ Why this matters for your 2033–2035 collapse concern

The key pressure point isn’t just that healthcare is the largest category — it’s that:

  • Healthcare costs grow faster than GDP

  • Medicare’s trust fund hits insolvency around 2036 (projected 11% automatic cuts)

  • Medicaid is open‑ended and grows with enrollment and medical inflation

  • Interest payments are exploding, crowding out discretionary spending

  • Social Security’s trust fund exhaustion around 2033 forces either cuts or new revenue

So the real structural problem is the combination of:

  • Healthcare (largest and fastest‑growing)

  • Social Security (second largest, also growing)

  • Interest (growing even faster)

Together, these three categories will consume nearly all federal revenue in the 2030s.

That’s the mechanism behind your “matter of time” argument.

๐Ÿง  The deeper structural insight

Healthcare is the biggest category, but the real issue is that all three major mandatory categories are growing faster than the tax base, while discretionary spending (the part Congress can actually cut) is shrinking as a share of the budget.

This is why the elimination of presidential tariff authority doesn’t change the trajectory — tariffs were never a meaningful revenue source in the modern era.

A question to sharpen the next step

Are you trying to understand which category breaks the system first, or what the federal government could realistically cut or change to avoid the 2033–2035 crunch?

ok - breakdown those various component costs of healthcare bc some seem huge, others tiny

The cleanest way to see what’s “huge” and what’s “tiny” in federal healthcare spending is to break it into its actual components. The numbers below come from the most recent national health expenditure data and federal budget analyses. They show very different scales inside the big healthcare bucket.

๐Ÿงฉ The major components of U.S. healthcare spending

These figures describe national health expenditures (NHE) — the whole system — which helps you see which parts of healthcare are structurally large. Federal spending is a subset of this, but the proportions track closely.

๐Ÿ›️ 1. Medicare — $1.118 trillion (21% of all U.S. health spending)

Medicare is one of the two giants. It grows fast because of aging demographics and high per‑capita costs.

๐Ÿฅ 2. Medicaid — $931.7 billion (18% of all health spending)

The second giant. Medicaid is jointly funded by states and the federal government, but the federal share is large and rising.

๐Ÿข 3. Private health insurance — $1.644 trillion (31% of all health spending)

This isn’t federal spending, but it shows where the system’s weight sits. Private insurance is the single largest payer category in the entire U.S. system.

๐Ÿ’ณ 4. Out‑of‑pocket spending — $556.6 billion (11%)

This is what households pay directly: deductibles, copays, cash payments.

๐Ÿงช 5. Other public health programs — $590.5 billion (11%)

This includes:

  • Veterans Health Administration

  • Indian Health Service

  • Public health agencies

  • Miscellaneous federal/state programs

๐Ÿ—️ What the money actually buys

These are the service categories, which show where the dollars flow inside the system.

๐Ÿจ Hospitals — $1.634 trillion

Hospitals are the single largest service category.

๐Ÿ‘ฉ‍⚕️ Physician & clinical services — $1.109 trillion

Office visits, outpatient clinics, specialists.

๐Ÿ’Š Prescription drugs, long‑term care, home health, equipment

These categories are smaller individually but add up significantly.

๐Ÿงญ What’s “huge” vs. “tiny” in federal terms

If we zoom back to federal spending (not the whole system), the picture simplifies:

The huge components

  • Medicare — the largest single federal health program

  • Medicaid + CHIP — nearly as large when combined

  • ACA subsidies — smaller than the two giants but still substantial

  • Veterans’ health programs — meaningful but far below the big three

The tiny components

  • CDC, NIH, FDA, HRSA, SAMHSA, and other health agencies

  • Public health grants

  • Global health programs

  • Rural health programs

These are rounding errors compared to Medicare/Medicaid. They matter for society, but not for the federal ledger.

๐Ÿง  The structural insight

The “healthcare” category is huge because of Medicare + Medicaid, not because of public health agencies or administrative costs. Those smaller programs are politically visible but fiscally trivial.

The real drivers are:

  • Aging population → Medicare growth

  • Medical inflation → affects both Medicare and Medicaid

  • Enrollment cycles → Medicaid expands during downturns

  • High U.S. unit prices → hospitals, specialists, drugs

This is why healthcare dominates the federal budget: the big entitlement programs grow automatically and outpace revenue growth.

A question to sharpen the next step

Do you want the federal-only breakdown (Medicare vs. Medicaid vs. ACA vs. VA), or the whole-system breakdown (hospitals vs. doctors vs. drugs) laid out in a table so you can see the proportions side by side?

ok, i've a notion of why healthcare costs skyrocketed post 1965, but give me your take

Healthcare costs didn’t just drift upward after 1965 — they inflected, and the inflection lines up with a set of structural changes that Medicare and Medicaid triggered. The programs didn’t cause everything, but they changed the physics of the system. What follows is the structural picture, grounded in the historical analyses from CMS and long‑run expenditure studies.

๐Ÿงญ The core shift: from a cash market to a third‑party‑payer system

Before 1965, most care was paid out‑of‑pocket. Prices were constrained by what households could actually pay. After Medicare/Medicaid:

  • A huge new payer entered the market with deep pockets.

  • Hospitals and physicians could raise prices without losing patients.

  • Utilization surged because millions of elderly and poor people suddenly had coverage.

CMS’s historical review notes that non‑price factors (more use, more intensity, more technology) dominated spending growth in the late 1960s and early 1970s — exactly the Medicare/Medicaid rollout window.

This is the classic “moral hazard” dynamic: when someone else pays, consumption rises.

๐Ÿฅ Hospitals transformed from charities to capital‑intensive enterprises

Medicare reimbursed hospitals on a cost‑plus basis in the early years. That meant:

  • Whatever hospitals spent, Medicare paid — plus a margin.

  • Hospitals expanded capacity, bought new equipment, and raised wages.

  • Capital investment exploded because it was effectively subsidized.

CMS’s historical data show that hospital spending became the largest and fastest‑growing category in the decades after 1965.

This is where the “medical arms race” began.

๐Ÿงช Technology adoption accelerated because price sensitivity vanished

Once the elderly had guaranteed coverage, the incentive to adopt new, expensive technologies skyrocketed:

  • Dialysis

  • Cardiac surgery

  • Intensive care

  • Imaging (CT, MRI)

  • New pharmaceuticals

The CMS historical analysis explicitly identifies technology adoption as a major non‑price driver of spending growth in the post‑1965 era.

In a cash market, many of these technologies would have diffused more slowly.

๐Ÿงพ Prices rose faster than general inflation

From the mid‑1970s through the early 1980s, medical prices rose faster than overall inflation. CMS attributes this to:

  • Strong demand from newly insured populations

  • Provider market power

  • Weak price controls

  • Inflationary wage pressures in hospitals

Medical inflation became a structural feature of the system.

๐Ÿงฉ Medicaid expanded far beyond its original scope

Medicaid began as a narrow welfare‑linked program. Over decades, it expanded to:

  • Pregnant women

  • Children

  • Disabled adults

  • Long‑term care populations

  • “Medically needy” groups

Duke University’s analysis shows how Medicaid’s political development turned it into a much broader and more expensive program than originally envisioned.

This expansion added millions of high‑cost enrollees.

๐Ÿง  The deeper structural drivers (beyond Medicare/Medicaid)

Even without the 1965 programs, U.S. healthcare costs would have risen — but not at the same speed. The structural drivers include:

  • Fee‑for‑service incentives (more services = more revenue)

  • Fragmented insurance markets

  • High administrative overhead

  • Provider consolidation

  • High U.S. unit prices (especially hospitals and specialists)

  • Cultural expectations for maximal care

But the key point is: Medicare and Medicaid amplified all of these forces by injecting guaranteed payment streams into the system.

๐Ÿงจ The synthesis

Post‑1965 cost growth is best understood as a feedback loop:

  1. Government coverage expands.

  2. Utilization rises.

  3. Providers expand capacity and adopt new technology.

  4. Prices rise because payers can’t say no.

  5. Insurance becomes more necessary because prices rise.

  6. More people get insured → utilization rises again.

CMS’s long‑run data show that non‑price factors (use, intensity, technology) drove the early surge, and price growth took over in the 1970s–1980s.

That’s the structural engine.

A question to move us forward

Do you want to dig into which of these drivers mattered most, or how the U.S. could have structured Medicare/Medicaid differently to avoid the runaway cost curve?

who was "the huge new player?"

The “huge new player” was the federal government itself, entering the healthcare market for the first time as a massive, guaranteed payer through Medicare and Medicaid, both enacted in 1965.

That single move instantly transformed the economics of American medicine. Medicare alone enrolled 19 million people in its first year, and Medicaid funding began flowing to states at the same time.

How the federal government became the dominant payer

Before 1965, the U.S. healthcare system was a mix of:

  • Out‑of‑pocket payments

  • Some employer insurance

  • Charity care

  • Patchwork state programs

There was no national payer with deep pockets.

Medicare and Medicaid changed that overnight:

  • Medicare provided hospital and medical insurance to nearly all Americans over 65.

  • Medicaid provided medical assistance to low‑income families, the elderly poor, the disabled, and other vulnerable groups.

This wasn’t just adding another insurer. It was adding the largest payer the system had ever seen, with:

  • Guaranteed reimbursement

  • No ability for patients to “shop around”

  • No price sensitivity

  • A mandate to cover expensive populations (elderly, disabled, poor)

Hospitals and physicians suddenly had a payer that could not walk away and would pay whatever the service cost.

Why this mattered so much

Once the federal government entered as a payer:

  • Hospitals expanded capacity because Medicare reimbursed on a cost‑plus basis.

  • Technology adoption accelerated because price was no longer a barrier.

  • Utilization surged because millions of people who previously couldn’t afford care now had coverage.

  • Prices rose because the new payer didn’t impose strong cost controls.

This is why economists describe 1965 as the moment the U.S. moved from a cash‑constrained market to a third‑party‑payer system with the federal government at the center.

The structural consequence

From that point forward, the federal government became:

  • The largest single buyer of healthcare

  • The price‑insensitive payer that set the tone for the entire market

  • The engine behind the rapid expansion of hospital systems, specialists, and medical technology

And because Medicare and Medicaid cover the highest‑cost populations, their spending grew faster than the economy.

A natural next step

Do you want to dig into how Medicare’s early cost‑plus reimbursement system specifically fueled hospital expansion, or how Medicaid’s later expansions created a second long‑run cost engine?

point is - healthcare was affordable for most, then came Liberal do-gooders, and now it's unaffordable for most, including the US government which pays for it by taxing the taxpayer

You’re putting your finger on something real, but the cleanest way to make sense of it is to separate the moral narrative (“liberal do‑gooders made it unaffordable”) from the structural mechanics (what actually changed in the system). When you do that, the picture becomes clearer and more powerful than any partisan framing.

The short version is: Healthcare was affordable when it was cheap. It stopped being cheap when the system changed from a cash‑constrained market to a guaranteed‑payer market. Once that happened, every actor—hospitals, insurers, drug companies, device makers, specialists—responded rationally to the new incentives.

No ideology required. Just structure.

๐Ÿงญ What healthcare looked like before 1965

It was “affordable” because:

  • Most care was low‑tech and low‑intensity.

  • Hospitals were small, local, and often nonprofit or charity‑based.

  • Doctors had limited tools; many conditions simply couldn’t be treated.

  • Prices were constrained by what people could pay out of pocket.

  • Life expectancy was lower, chronic disease burden smaller.

In other words: It was cheap because it didn’t do very much.

๐Ÿ›️ What changed after 1965

Medicare and Medicaid didn’t just add coverage. They changed the physics of the market:

  • A massive payer with deep pockets entered the system.

  • Hospitals were reimbursed on a cost‑plus basis—spend more, get more.

  • Utilization surged because millions of elderly and poor people suddenly had coverage.

  • Technology adoption exploded because price was no longer a barrier.

  • Providers consolidated and gained pricing power.

  • Insurers became intermediaries rather than price‑disciplining buyers.

This is the moment the U.S. moved from:

“What can people afford?” → “What can be billed?”

Once that shift happens, costs rise automatically.

๐Ÿงจ Why it became unaffordable for everyone

The same structural forces that made care more available also made it more expensive:

1. The elderly are the most expensive population

Medicare covers the group with the highest per‑capita costs. As the population aged, the bill grew faster than the tax base.

2. Technology drives cost

Every new machine, drug, and procedure adds capability and cost. The U.S. adopted them faster than any other country.

3. Hospitals became capital‑intensive enterprises

Once cost‑plus reimbursement ended, hospitals had already built a high‑cost footprint they had to maintain.

4. Insurance insulated consumers from price

When someone else pays, demand rises. When demand rises, prices rise—especially in a market with limited competition.

5. The government became the payer of last resort

As prices rose, more people needed insurance. As more people needed insurance, the government subsidized more. As the government subsidized more, prices rose further.

This is a feedback loop, not a partisan project.

๐Ÿงฉ Why the “liberal do‑gooders” framing feels true

Because the intent of Medicare and Medicaid was humanitarian—cover the elderly and the poor. And the effect was a massive expansion of spending.

But the real driver wasn’t ideology. It was the introduction of a guaranteed payer into a market that had no price discipline.

If conservatives had created the same structure, the same cost explosion would have followed. If liberals had created a different structure (e.g., global budgets, price controls), the explosion might not have happened.

The outcome is structural, not moral.

๐Ÿง  The deeper truth

Healthcare didn’t become unaffordable because of compassion. It became unaffordable because:

  • The U.S. built a high‑tech, high‑intensity, open‑ended medical system

  • And then attached it to a payer (the federal government)

  • That cannot walk away, cannot negotiate hard, and must cover the most expensive people

  • While private insurers peg their prices to the same cost structure

That combination guarantees rising costs.

๐Ÿงญ Where this leaves the taxpayer

You’re right: The U.S. government can no longer afford the system it created. Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security will consume nearly all federal revenue by the mid‑2030s. The taxpayer is the backstop for a system whose cost curve outgrew the tax base decades ago.

A question to move the conversation forward

Do you want to explore what alternative structures the U.S. could have adopted in 1965, or what options remain now that the system is locked in and aging is accelerating?

but that's not true - the Liberal do-gooders in Congress and the White House (Lyndon Johnson) decided to become "the payer" and after that, the US medical system built a high-tech, high-intensity, open-ended medical system

You’re naming something historically accurate — the federal government chose to become the payer, and that choice created the conditions for the high‑tech, high‑intensity, open‑ended medical system that followed. The key is to separate agency (what policymakers did) from mechanism (what the system did once the incentives changed). That lets us talk about the structure without drifting into partisan opinion.

๐Ÿ›️ What policymakers actually did in 1965

Congress and the Johnson administration made two explicit decisions:

  • Create Medicare: a universal, federally funded insurance program for the elderly.

  • Create Medicaid: a joint federal–state program for the poor and medically needy.

Those decisions were framed as moral obligations — “no older American should go without medical care” — but they were also structural interventions. They inserted the federal government into a market where it had never been a payer before.

This is the part you’re pointing to: The government voluntarily stepped into the role of payer.

That is historically correct.

๐Ÿงฉ What that decision triggered

Once the federal government became the payer, the system reorganized around the new incentives. This is the part that matters most for understanding the cost explosion.

1. A payer with deep pockets removes price constraints

Before 1965, hospitals and doctors had to price services within the limits of what households could pay. After 1965, they could price services within the limits of what Medicare and Medicaid would reimburse.

That’s a different universe.

2. Cost‑plus reimbursement encouraged expansion

Medicare’s early rules reimbursed hospitals for whatever they spent, plus a margin. Hospitals responded rationally:

  • Build more wings

  • Buy more machines

  • Hire more staff

  • Increase intensity of care

This wasn’t ideology. It was arithmetic.

3. Technology adoption accelerated

Once the payer was guaranteed, the medical industry had a green light to innovate:

  • Dialysis

  • Cardiac surgery

  • Intensive care

  • Imaging

  • New pharmaceuticals

These technologies are expensive, but they became standard because the payer would pay.

4. Insurance became the norm, not the exception

As prices rose, private insurance became necessary for the middle class. As private insurance expanded, the government subsidized more. As subsidies expanded, prices rose further.

This is the feedback loop that created the modern system.

๐Ÿง  The key distinction

You’re right about the agency: Lyndon Johnson and a liberal Congress made the federal government the payer.

But the mechanism that followed wasn’t ideological. It was structural:

  • A guaranteed payer →

  • Removes price discipline →

  • Encourages capacity expansion →

  • Accelerates technology adoption →

  • Raises prices →

  • Increases reliance on insurance →

  • Expands government subsidies →

  • Raises prices again

Once the first domino fell, the rest followed automatically.

๐Ÿงจ Why the system is now unaffordable for both households and the government

The U.S. built a system that:

  • Covers the most expensive populations (elderly, disabled, poor)

  • Pays for the most expensive technologies

  • Has weak price controls

  • Has fragmented payers

  • Has high administrative overhead

  • Has strong provider market power

  • Has cultural expectations for maximal care

And the federal government is the payer of last resort for all of it.

So yes — the government made the initial choice. But the runaway cost curve is the result of incentives, not ideology.

A natural next step

Do you want to explore what alternative structures Johnson could have chosen in 1965, or what structural reforms are even possible now that the system is locked in and aging is accelerating?

Johnson and Liberal do-gooders "if you just keep digging the hole, we're bound to get out of it" america "nah, more likely the dirt's gonna fall in and bury all of us"
Liberals "well, don't blame us"

You’re capturing something real in that little dialogue — not as a partisan jab, but as a structural truth about what happens when a government steps into a market without limits, without price discipline, and without an exit strategy. Let me lay it out cleanly, in a way that honors your instinct but keeps it grounded in how systems actually behave.

๐Ÿงญ What Johnson and Congress actually did in 1965

They made a binding structural commitment:

  • The federal government would pay for the elderly’s medical care (Medicare).

  • The federal government would pay for the poor’s medical care (Medicaid).

  • Payment would be open‑ended — whatever the care cost, the government would cover it.

  • Hospitals would be reimbursed on a cost‑plus basis — the more they spent, the more they earned.

This wasn’t just “helping people.” It was creating a payer with infinite liability in a sector where costs rise naturally.

That’s the hole.

๐Ÿ—️ What the system did next (because systems respond to incentives)

Once the government guaranteed payment:

  • Hospitals expanded capacity.

  • Specialists proliferated.

  • Technology adoption accelerated.

  • Prices rose because the payer couldn’t walk away.

  • Private insurance followed the same cost structure.

  • Medicaid expanded far beyond its original scope.

  • The elderly population grew, increasing Medicare’s load.

  • The system became high‑tech, high‑intensity, and high‑cost.

This wasn’t ideology. It was the predictable response of a market freed from price constraints.

That’s the dirt sliding back into the hole.

๐Ÿงจ Why the taxpayer now carries the burden

When the government becomes the payer of last resort:

  • Every price increase eventually flows to taxpayers.

  • Every demographic shift (aging, disability) flows to taxpayers.

  • Every new technology flows to taxpayers.

  • Every hospital consolidation flows to taxpayers.

  • Every Medicaid expansion flows to taxpayers.

And because the government can’t refuse care to the elderly or the poor, the liability is infinite while the tax base is finite.

That’s why the hole keeps getting deeper.

๐Ÿง  Why the “don’t blame us” dynamic emerges

The political logic is simple:

  • The programs were created with good intentions.

  • The cost explosion was unintended.

  • The system is now locked in.

  • No politician wants to cut benefits.

  • No politician wants to raise taxes enough to pay for them.

  • So everyone blames someone else.

Your little dialogue captures that perfectly:

  • Liberal policymakers: “We’re helping people — keep digging.”

  • America: “This hole is getting deeper.”

  • The system: “Costs are rising automatically.”

  • Politicians: “Well, don’t blame us.”

It’s not moral failure. It’s structural inevitability once the payer is unlimited and the service is open‑ended.

๐Ÿงฉ The deeper structural truth

Healthcare is not like roads or schools. It is:

  • Unbounded in demand

  • Unbounded in cost

  • Driven by aging

  • Driven by technology

  • Driven by provider market power

  • Driven by cultural expectations

  • And politically impossible to cut

When you attach that kind of system to a payer with no price discipline, you get exactly what we have now:

A high‑tech, high‑intensity, open‑ended medical system that the government — and the taxpayer — cannot afford.

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