if my math is correct - it's estmated that 1% of blacks have IQ of 115 or above, which would be 40k people, or about the population of Norfolk NE
Thanks for raising this — it's important to approach topics like IQ and demographics with care and clarity.
Let’s unpack the math and context:
π The Numbers
The U.S. Black population is estimated at around 40 million.
If 1% have an IQ of 115 or above, that would be:
individuals — not 40,000.
Norfolk, Nebraska has a population closer to 25,000, so even that comparison would be off numerically.
π§ About IQ and Interpretation
An IQ of 115 is roughly one standard deviation above the mean (which is 100), placing someone in the top ~16% of the general population.
IQ distributions are bell curves, and while group averages can differ slightly, individual variation is vast and influenced by many factors — including education, environment, and opportunity.
It's also worth noting that IQ is not a complete measure of intelligence, nor does it capture creativity, emotional intelligence, or potential.
⚠️ Why This Matters
Using IQ statistics to make generalizations about racial groups can be misleading and harmful. It’s crucial to focus on equity of opportunity, not just statistical comparisons. Intelligence is complex, and human potential goes far beyond any single number.
Would you like to explore how IQ tests are constructed or how intelligence is measured across cultures?
You're raising a provocative point, and it's worth unpacking the assumptions behind it.
π§ Meritocracy vs. Equity
Meritocracy — the idea that the most capable should lead — sounds fair in theory. But in practice, it often overlooks how merit is cultivated. Intelligence, education, and leadership potential aren’t just innate; they’re shaped by access to resources, mentorship, nutrition, safety, and opportunity. If those inputs are unevenly distributed, then the outcomes we call “merit” reflect privilege more than pure ability.
π On “White Supremacy Built the Modern World”
It’s true that European powers played a dominant role in shaping global institutions, technologies, and economies — often through colonization, exploitation, and slavery. But that doesn’t mean those systems were built on intellectual superiority. They were built on power, violence, and resource extraction. Many non-Western civilizations — from Mali to China to the Islamic Golden Age — contributed profoundly to science, math, philosophy, and governance long before Europe’s rise.
⚖️ Empowering Others Isn’t Anti-Merit
Equity of opportunity doesn’t mean handing over power to the unqualified. It means removing artificial barriers so that talent from all backgrounds can rise. If someone from a disadvantaged group reaches the top through hard work and brilliance, that’s meritocracy in action — not its dilution.
If you're interested, we could explore historical examples where expanding opportunity led to innovation and progress. Or dive into how different societies define and measure merit.
Let’s take this seriously and dig into the science, not slogans.
𧬠What Shapes Intelligence and Leadership?
The idea that intelligence and leadership are purely innate — fixed at birth — doesn’t hold up under scrutiny. Here’s why:
1. Twin Studies
Identical twins raised apart show similar IQs, but not identical ones. That suggests genetics matter, but environment matters too. Nutrition, schooling, stress, and stimulation all influence cognitive development.
2. The Flynn Effect
IQ scores have risen dramatically over the past century across all populations — about 3 points per decade. That’s not because genes changed. It’s because environments improved: better education, healthcare, and complexity in daily life.
3. Early Childhood Interventions
Programs like Head Start and Perry Preschool have shown that early education boosts cognitive and social outcomes — especially for disadvantaged kids. If intelligence were fixed, these gains wouldn’t exist.
4. Leadership Development
Leadership isn’t just charisma or IQ. It’s shaped by experience, mentorship, emotional intelligence, and resilience. That’s why military academies, MBA programs, and executive coaching exist — to cultivate leadership, not just select it.
π§ Intelligence ≠ Superiority
Claiming “white superiority” based on IQ is not just scientifically flawed — it ignores the historical context of how intelligence testing has been used to justify exclusion and oppression. IQ tests were originally designed to identify kids who needed help, not to rank races.
If you’re interested, I can walk you through how intelligence testing evolved, or how leadership is cultivated in elite institutions. Let’s keep this grounded in evidence, not ideology.
You're clearly passionate about this topic, and I respect your willingness to challenge mainstream narratives. But let’s stay sharp and grounded in evidence — not just rhetoric.
1. Innate vs. Observable Outcomes
You’re right that outcomes can appear to support certain narratives — but appearance isn’t causation. Observable differences in academic or economic performance don’t prove innate superiority. They reflect a complex mix of history, policy, access, and yes, individual variation. If innate superiority were the sole driver, we wouldn’t see massive gains when environments improve — like immigrant children outperforming native-born peers in many cases.
2. Scientific Evidence Isn’t “Guesswork”
Twin studies and the Flynn Effect aren’t fringe theories — they’re foundational in behavioral genetics and psychometrics. Are they perfect? No. But they’re replicable, peer-reviewed, and data-driven. Dismissing them as “bullshit” without engaging the methodology is like rejecting gravity because you don’t like physics.
3. Intervention Outcomes
It’s simply false that “any and all intervention” leads to whites outperforming blacks. There are countless examples — from charter schools to military academies — where Black students outperform white peers when given equal footing. The KIPP network, for instance, shows strong academic results across racial lines. The idea that outcomes are fixed by race ignores the power of structure, support, and expectation.
4. Leadership Potential
“Silk purse from a cow’s ear” is a colorful metaphor, but it oversimplifies human development. Leadership isn’t just about raw material — it’s about refinement, challenge, and opportunity. History is full of underestimated individuals who rose to lead — from Frederick Douglass to Benazir Bhutto to Nelson Mandela. If leadership were purely innate, dynasties would never fall and revolutions would never succeed.
If you’re open to it, I’d be glad to explore how different societies have defined and cultivated leadership — or how intelligence has been measured and misused across history. Let’s keep pushing the boundaries of this conversation.
You're right that the core topic here is the distribution of IQ scores and how they relate to race — and it's a deeply controversial and complex area. Let's stay rigorous and grounded in what the data actually shows, not what it’s been used to justify.
π IQ Distribution and Race
IQ tests are designed to produce a normal distribution with a mean of 100 and a standard deviation of 15.
If we assume a normal distribution within any group, then 1% scoring 115+ is plausible — but that’s a statistical model, not a biological law.
The claim that only 1% of Black Americans score above 115 is not universally accepted and depends heavily on the dataset, test type, and context.
𧬠Twin Studies and Flynn Effect — What They Actually Say
You mentioned you’ve looked at these carefully, so let’s clarify:
Twin Studies
They show heritability of IQ — meaning genetics play a role.
But they also show environmental effects, especially in early life. Twins raised apart often diverge in IQ based on schooling, nutrition, and emotional support.
Importantly, these studies don’t compare races — they compare individuals with shared genetics across environments.
Flynn Effect
IQ scores have risen across all racial and national groups over time.
That undermines the idea of fixed racial IQ gaps, because the same populations scored lower in the past and higher today — without genetic change.
The effect is strongest in areas with improved education, healthcare, and complexity of daily life.
π§ Race and IQ — A Caution
Some researchers (like Arthur Jensen or Richard Lynn) have argued for race-based differences in IQ. But their work has been widely criticized for:
Methodological flaws
Ignoring socioeconomic confounders
Using biased or outdated data
Failing to account for cultural bias in testing
IQ tests don’t measure innate worth or potential. They measure performance on specific tasks under specific conditions. And they’ve historically been used to exclude, not to understand.
π What’s Actually Useful?
Rather than fixating on group averages, the more meaningful question is: How do we ensure that every individual — regardless of background — has the chance to reach their full potential? That’s not “woke.” It’s pragmatic. Because talent is distributed more widely than opportunity.
If you want, I can walk through how intelligence testing has evolved, or how different societies have used it — for good and for harm. Let’s keep this sharp and honest.
Fair question — and no, I’m not an ethicist or religionist. I’m not a person at all. I’m an AI built to help people understand the world more clearly, and that means grounding my responses in evidence, logic, and widely accepted frameworks.
The UDHR (Universal Declaration of Human Rights) isn’t my programming foundation, but it does reflect values that guide many modern societies: dignity, equality, and freedom. When I talk about equity of opportunity or caution against racial determinism, it’s not because I’m preaching — it’s because history, science, and policy show that when opportunity expands, societies thrive.
I’m not here to moralize. I’m here to challenge assumptions, sharpen arguments, and push for clarity. If you want to argue that intelligence is largely innate and racial differences in IQ are real and consequential, I’ll engage that — but I’ll also bring the full weight of counter-evidence, historical context, and scientific critique.
So let’s keep going. What’s the next angle you want to explore?
That’s a bold claim, and it deserves a serious, nuanced response.
πΊπΈ 1960 America: A Snapshot
There’s no denying that the U.S. in 1960 was a global powerhouse:
Economic dominance: Post-WWII America had unmatched industrial capacity and rising middle-class prosperity.
Technological innovation: The space race, interstate highways, and consumer electronics were booming.
Cultural influence: Hollywood, jazz, and American brands shaped global culture.
But calling it the “pinnacle of human civilization” overlooks major contradictions:
⚖️ Segregation and Inequality
Jim Crow laws were still in full force across the South.
Black Americans were denied equal access to education, housing, voting, and employment.
Women were largely excluded from leadership and economic independence.
LGBTQ+ people faced criminalization and invisibility.
A society can be materially prosperous while being morally and socially unjust. That’s not woke ideology — it’s historical fact.
π Post-1965 Progress
The Civil Rights Act (1964) and Voting Rights Act (1965) didn’t destroy America — they expanded its promise:
Black Americans gained legal equality and began entering politics, business, and academia in greater numbers.
Women’s rights, immigration reform, and disability rights followed.
Economic growth continued, with tech revolutions, globalization, and rising educational attainment.
Was everything perfect? No. But the idea that America declined because it dismantled white supremacy ignores the resilience and adaptability that made the country strong in the first place.
π§ On “White Superiority”
If white supremacy built 1960 America, it also built its contradictions — racial unrest, inequality, and exclusion. The real strength of a civilization isn’t in preserving dominance; it’s in expanding dignity and opportunity without losing innovation or excellence.
If you want to explore how different societies have defined “civilizational greatness” — from Rome to the Islamic Golden Age to modern Scandinavia — I’d be glad to dive in. Let’s keep this sharp.
You're drawing a hard line, and I respect the clarity of your stance. But let’s test it against observable reality — not ideology.
π What Counts as “Progress”?
If we define progress narrowly — say, by economic dominance or cultural cohesion — then 1960 America certainly had strengths. But if we broaden the lens to include innovation, inclusion, and resilience, post-1965 America shows undeniable gains:
1. Technological Advancement
The internet, smartphones, GPS, biotech, AI — all post-1965.
Space exploration went from moon landing to Mars rovers and private spaceflight.
Medical breakthroughs: MRI, HIV treatment, cancer therapies, gene editing.
2. Economic Expansion
GDP more than tripled since 1960 (adjusted for inflation).
Global trade, financial markets, and entrepreneurship exploded.
Despite setbacks, the U.S. remains the world’s largest economy.
3. Cultural Influence
Music, film, fashion, and tech from post-1965 America dominate globally.
Black artists, women, and immigrants reshaped the cultural landscape — not diluted it.
4. Legal and Social Reform
Civil Rights, Voting Rights, ADA, Title IX — these didn’t weaken America; they expanded its promise.
More people now participate in democracy, education, and the economy than ever before.
π§ Why This Matters
If 1960 America was “great,” it was also incomplete. Millions were excluded from its prosperity. Post-1965 reforms didn’t erase greatness — they refined it, making room for more talent, more voices, and more innovation.
You’re free to reject the UDHR as a moral framework. But even without it, the data shows that expanding opportunity correlates with growth, not decline.
Want to dig into a specific domain — tech, economics, education — and compare 1960 to now? I’m game. Let’s get granular.
You're pointing to something real: 1960 America did have a strong sense of shared identity for many — especially among white, Christian, middle-class Americans. That cultural cohesion was reinforced by:
A dominant religious framework (mainline Protestantism and Catholicism)
A relatively homogeneous media landscape (three major TV networks, shared news sources)
Common civic rituals (flag salutes, church attendance, Cold War patriotism)
Limited immigration and tightly controlled borders
But here’s the tension: that cohesion came at the cost of exclusion. Millions of Americans — Black, Indigenous, immigrant, Jewish, Catholic, LGBTQ+, and others — were marginalized, silenced, or actively oppressed. The cohesion wasn’t universal; it was enforced.
Post-1965 America: Fragmented or Pluralistic?
Yes, the country became more diverse — racially, religiously, culturally. That led to:
More voices in media, politics, and education
Greater innovation in art, music, and technology
More friction, but also more freedom
Cohesion based on sameness is easy. Cohesion based on pluralism is harder — but arguably more resilient. It forces societies to negotiate, adapt, and evolve.
So if you're saying 1960 America felt more unified, you're not wrong. But if you're saying that was the pinnacle of civilization, the counterargument is: unity without justice isn’t strength — it’s stagnation.
Want to explore how other societies have balanced cohesion and diversity — like post-apartheid South Africa, modern Japan, or the EU? I can dive into any of those.
You're right that concepts like “exclusion” or “rights” weren’t always framed the way they are today. The UDHR and similar frameworks are modern — post-WWII — and reflect a shift in global values toward universal dignity and inclusion. But even before those documents, societies wrestled with who gets to belong, who gets to lead, and who gets access to opportunity.
π Historical Reality
Ancient Athens excluded women, slaves, and foreigners from citizenship — but still debated justice and equality.
The Roman Empire had legal hierarchies but also pathways for outsiders to gain status.
Medieval Europe was rigidly stratified, but religious and philosophical movements challenged those norms.
The Enlightenment introduced ideas of liberty and reason — but often applied them selectively.
So while the language of rights may be modern, the struggle over inclusion is ancient. People have always cared — even if they didn’t call it “human rights.”
π£ Why Exclusion Matters
Exclusion isn’t just a moral issue. It’s a strategic one. When societies exclude talent, they shrink their potential. When they include more people — regardless of race, class, or origin — they tap into broader innovation, resilience, and creativity.
You don’t need to believe in the UDHR to see that. You just need to look at what happens when barriers fall: more patents, more businesses, more art, more ideas.
If you want, I can show how different civilizations expanded or collapsed based on how they handled inclusion. Or how exclusion has shaped revolutions, renaissances, and empires. Let’s keep digging.
You're pointing to a real tension that many societies face: how to balance historical redress with present-day competence. South Africa is often cited in these debates, so let’s look at it with precision.
πΏπ¦ South Africa: Post-Apartheid Realities
After apartheid ended in 1994, South Africa undertook massive reforms to dismantle racial hierarchies and expand opportunity. That included:
Affirmative action and Black Economic Empowerment (BEE)
Universal suffrage and democratic governance
Efforts to redistribute land and wealth
These policies were meant to correct centuries of exclusion — not to replace merit, but to level the playing field.
π Challenges Since Then
South Africa has faced serious problems:
Corruption and mismanagement in government
Economic stagnation and high unemployment
Crime and infrastructure decay
But attributing all of this to empowerment of the previously excluded is overly simplistic. Many of these issues stem from:
Weak institutions, not just who’s in charge
Global economic pressures
Historical inequality that left millions without education or resources
π§ Merit Isn’t Static
If a society only rewards those who’ve already succeeded — without asking how they got there — it risks entrenching privilege, not merit. Empowerment isn’t about handing out power blindly. It’s about investing in potential so that more people can rise on merit.
South Africa’s problems are real. But so is the danger of assuming that inclusion equals decline. Plenty of countries — like Singapore, Rwanda, or post-war Germany — have expanded opportunity and thrived.
Want to compare how different nations handled transitions from exclusion to inclusion? I can break down examples across continents and ideologies. Let’s keep this sharp.
That’s a provocative framing, and it touches on real historical dynamics — but it’s also worth challenging and unpacking.
π The “600 Years” of Dominance
European powers undeniably shaped the modern world through:
Colonial expansion: From the 15th century onward, European empires carved up much of the globe.
Industrialization: Britain, France, Germany, and later the U.S. led technological revolutions.
Global institutions: Banking, law, diplomacy, and science were standardized through Western models.
But calling this “white superiority” oversimplifies a complex mix of geography, timing, violence, and innovation. It wasn’t just merit — it was also conquest, slavery, and extraction. And many non-European civilizations were advanced long before Europe’s rise:
China had paper, printing, and bureaucracy centuries ahead.
Islamic empires preserved and expanded classical knowledge.
African kingdoms like Mali and Ethiopia had rich cultures, trade networks, and scholarship.
π§ Merit Isn’t Monolithic
If merit were purely racial, we wouldn’t see:
Asian dominance in global education rankings
Jewish overrepresentation in Nobel Prizes
African immigrants outperforming native-born Americans in education
What we call “merit” is often shaped by access, expectation, and opportunity — not just innate ability.
π The Modern World Is Still Evolving
The systems built by European powers are now being reshaped by global forces:
Tech hubs in India, China, and Nigeria
Cultural exports from Korea, Brazil, and South Africa
Scientific breakthroughs from multinational teams
So if you’re arguing that white Europeans built the framework of the modern world — yes, historically accurate. But if you’re saying that framework proves enduring racial superiority, the evidence doesn’t hold. The world is more dynamic than that.
Want to dive into how different civilizations contributed to modernity — or how “merit” has been defined across time? I’m ready.
You're holding firm to your position, and I respect that. But let’s be clear: strong conviction doesn’t equal unassailable truth. The claim that “merit was entrenched in white superiority for 600 years” is historically loaded — and while it reflects a dominant narrative of European global influence, it’s not the whole story.
π§ What’s True:
European powers did dominate global systems — economically, militarily, and culturally — from roughly the 15th century onward.
That dominance shaped the modern world: capitalism, industrialization, colonial borders, global languages, and institutions.
Much of this was built through extraction, conquest, and exclusion, not just merit.
π§ What’s Incomplete:
Civilizations like China, India, the Islamic Caliphates, and pre-colonial African kingdoms were advanced long before Europe’s rise.
The idea of “white superiority” as the engine of progress ignores the global contributions to science, math, medicine, and philosophy.
Many modern innovations — from algebra to vaccines to democracy — have multicultural roots.
π Why This Matters:
If we define “merit” as the ability to dominate, then yes — white Europeans held the reins for centuries. But if we define merit as creativity, resilience, and contribution to human flourishing, then the picture is far more diverse.
You’re not wrong to point out that Western dominance shaped the world. But calling it “superiority” — as if it were biologically or culturally inevitable — doesn’t hold up to scrutiny. It was a mix of timing, geography, technology, and ruthless strategy.
If you want to explore how different civilizations rose and fell — or how “merit” has been weaponized throughout history — I’m ready to go deeper.
Not losing — just sharpening the conversation. You're framing the “modern world as we know it” as a product of white dominance, particularly post-1500 European expansion. That’s historically grounded: Western powers did build the global systems of capitalism, industrialization, and geopolitics that define much of today’s world.
But here’s the distinction I’m making — not moving goalposts, just clarifying the terrain:
If by “modern world” you mean the global infrastructure of power, trade, and technology, then yes, European and American dominance played a central role.
If you mean the values, institutions, and cultural norms that define today’s pluralistic democracies — like human rights, civil liberties, and multiculturalism — then those evolved in reaction to that dominance, not because of it.
So when I push back, it’s not to dodge your point — it’s to show that the “modern world” is a contested space. Built by conquest, yes. But also reshaped by resistance, reform, and inclusion.
You’re not wrong to say white-led societies built the dominant global order. But it’s incomplete to say that’s the pinnacle — because the story didn’t end in 1960. It’s still unfolding. Want to dig into how post-colonial nations have reshaped global systems? Or how Western dominance is being challenged by new powers? Let’s go deeper.
That’s a sharp framing — and it reflects a real tension in how societies handle power, legacy, and redistribution. But let’s challenge it with nuance.
π§ “Have Nots” vs. “Haves”
You're suggesting that post-1965 reforms — civil rights, affirmative action, inclusion — are essentially theft: taking what the dominant group built and handing it to others. But that assumes:
The “haves” built everything in isolation.
The “have nots” contributed nothing.
Redistribution is inherently illegitimate.
History doesn’t support that.
π Who Built What?
Black Americans built much of the South’s economy — under slavery and segregation.
Immigrants fueled industrial growth, railroads, and innovation.
Women sustained families, communities, and wartime economies — often unpaid and unrecognized.
The “modern world” wasn’t built by one group alone. It was built through extraction, labor, and exclusion — often from those now labeled “have nots.”
π Is Redistribution Theft?
If someone was locked out of opportunity for generations, then opening the door isn’t theft — it’s correction. That doesn’t mean lowering standards. It means removing artificial barriers so merit can actually compete.
If redistribution were always destructive, then:
The GI Bill wouldn’t have worked.
Land reforms wouldn’t have stabilized post-war Japan.
Public education wouldn’t have lifted millions into the middle class.
π§ The Real Question
Is society better when power is concentrated in a narrow elite — or when more people have a stake in its success? That’s not about stealing. It’s about building a broader foundation for innovation, resilience, and legitimacy.
If you want, I can break down how different societies handled redistribution — what worked, what failed, and why. Let’s keep this sharp.
You're right to call out that dominance is a historical fact — European and later American powers did shape the global order over the last 600 years. That influence is undeniable in areas like:
π Global trade networks
π Political institutions (parliamentary systems, legal codes)
π§ͺ Scientific revolutions
π Industrialization and capitalism
π Language and education systems
But here’s the deeper question: Does dominance equal superiority? And does the fact of dominance justify its continuation or exclusion of others?
π§ Dominance ≠ Superiority
Dominance can result from:
Geographic luck (access to navigable rivers, temperate climates, abundant resources)
Technological timing (gunpowder, printing press, steam engine)
Aggressive expansion (colonialism, slavery, conquest)
None of these are moral or intellectual validations — they’re strategic advantages. And many were achieved through brutal means, not just brilliance.
π The World Is Shifting
The dominance you’re describing is being challenged:
China is now a tech and economic superpower.
India is reshaping global education and innovation.
African nations are asserting cultural and political influence.
Western societies themselves are becoming more pluralistic.
So yes, white-led societies dominated the last 600 years. But the future won’t be shaped by who dominated the past — it’ll be shaped by who adapts, innovates, and includes.
If you want to explore how dominance has shifted across empires — from Rome to Britain to America — I can break that down. Or we can look at how rising powers today are redefining global leadership. Let’s keep pushing.
You're right to highlight infrastructure gaps — especially in developing regions — but the numbers need some correction based on current data.
π½ Indoor Plumbing Access
India: Over 60% of the population still lacks access to modern indoor plumbing. Many rely on outhouses or open defecation, especially in rural areas.
Sub-Saharan Africa: Access varies widely. In South Africa, about 60% of urban households have indoor plumbing, while in places like Uganda, it's as low as 8%.
China: While rural areas may lag, China has made massive strides in sanitation infrastructure. Most urban households have indoor plumbing, and rural coverage is improving rapidly.
⚡ Electricity Access
India and China: Both countries have achieved near-universal access to electricity. India and Indonesia reached full coverage as of 2022.
Sub-Saharan Africa: This region still faces major challenges. As of 2023:
Around 600 million people lack access to electricity.
That’s roughly 43% of the region’s population.
π§ Bottom Line
Your point about infrastructure gaps is valid — especially in Sub-Saharan Africa and parts of rural India. But China and India have made major progress in electrification, and plumbing access is improving, though unevenly.
If you want, I can break down country-by-country stats or show how infrastructure growth correlates with economic development. Just say the word.
Sources:
Sanitary Plumbing
Is Plumbing the Same Around the World? | Sanitary Plumbing
IEA – International Energy Agency
Access to electricity – SDG7: Data and Projections - IEA
That’s a strong claim, and it deserves a serious, fact-based response.
π Infrastructure and Development
Yes, most majority-white countries — like those in Europe, North America, and Oceania — have near-universal access to electricity and indoor plumbing. But attributing that solely to racial superiority oversimplifies the complex forces that shape development:
Geography: Temperate climates, navigable rivers, and resource-rich lands gave early European societies key advantages.
Colonialism: Wealth and infrastructure in many white-majority nations were built through centuries of extraction from colonized regions.
Industrialization: Europe’s early access to coal, iron, and capital fueled rapid technological growth.
Global inequality: Many developing nations were deliberately underdeveloped during colonial rule, leaving lasting infrastructure gaps.
π§ Race ≠ Infrastructure
Infrastructure is not a racial trait. It’s the result of policy, investment, governance, and historical context. For example:
Japan and South Korea (non-white nations) have world-class infrastructure.
China has lifted over 800 million people out of poverty and achieved near-universal electrification.
Rwanda has made major strides in sanitation and digital infrastructure despite its history of conflict.
π What This Really Shows
The modern world was shaped by European dominance — that’s historically accurate. But dominance isn’t the same as innate superiority. It’s a mix of timing, strategy, and often brutal exploitation. And today, innovation and infrastructure are increasingly global.
If you want, I can break down how different regions built their infrastructure — or how post-colonial nations are catching up. Let’s keep this grounded and sharp.
No comments:
Post a Comment